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I Couldn’t Give A Toss About The Size Debate: Skinny, Curvy, Who Gives A Sh*t

Posted: 29 May 2011
Tags: celebrities, women, women's fashion

I’m thoroughly worn out by the obsession with ‘skinny versus curvy', and I'm even more tired with the irresponsible, inconsistent and, quite frankly, schizophrenic reporting on the issue by women's magazines.

“Does my bum look big in this?” “Yes, incredibly and I think you’re also at high risk of heart disease and will probably die young” said no-one. Ever. Political correctness, the notion of being fair to all people, is a trait that I believe makes the UK a wonderful place to live. But I’m left miffed that apparently being overweight requires the same sensibilities that we give to stuff like race, gender and sexuality. Is pointing out someone’s willful ignorance towards healthy eating and the fact that it could send them careering to an early grave akin to being a huge racist?

The weight loss poster child of plus-size models, Crystal Renn, has recently been under the glare of the media. Renn, who having enjoyed a mildly successful high fashion career where she cultivated an almost fatal eating disorder, re-emerged a size 16 and became the bigger model du jour. Chanel lapped her up, as did Jean Paul-Gaultier and Dolce & Gabbana. Though their campaigns smacked of “look, we can do heavy girls too!” her effect on the fashion world has been impressive, not least in that she has been more than vocal on her feelings towards the size-zero debate. But whilst her recent appearance in Harpers Bazaar looking markedly slimmer was a kick in the teeth to plus-size, the reaction was just as hypocritical. Commentators spat that her new figure was ‘disgusting’ but though the weight loss is very noticeable, it’s by no means to the degree that she campaigned so passionately against. I’m not at all surprised by the backlash because if there’s anything women are guilty of it’s slagging each other off.

Myself, I’m not big and I’m not skinny and I’m definitely squishy, but I boycott women’s magazines because I know without fail they’ll be brimming with contradictory shit on what weight I should be. They regularly have kittens over the fluctuation of any female celebrities weight, with ‘skinny versus curvy’ features pitting celebs against each other like a glorified game of Top Trumps. Stories of super-model anorexia and laxative-fuelled dysentery backstage at fashion shows have been done to death. Of course drawing attention to the size- zero debate has done wonders in challenging body image, in particular for women of my age where eating disorders are of a frightening regularity. But at the other end of the scale, “skinny” scaremongering in full swing, we’re bombarded with images of women whose bodies are equally as unattainable. For example, Christina Hendricks is a size 14 but she also has tits the size of my head and a tiny waist. Many of us are not blessed with Hendricks’ measurements and yet there’s been an onslaught of women, who to put it politely, are just a bit dumpy lauding the comeback of ‘real’ curves. Numerically, yes, Hendricks is nearer the national average (because of said huge jumper puppies) than Kate Moss. But seeing as the UK has the highest obesity rate in Europe is that necessarily a good thing?

For example, Christina Hendricks is a size 14 but she also has tits the size of my head and a tiny waist.

I realise there is a drastic jump from being plus-sized to being morbidly overweight but isn’t the constant rabble rousing for ‘real’, curvy women just as irresponsible? Because, shock horror, we can’t all just be shoved into two categories. To get even more extreme, fashion magazine Love was applauded for featuring a nude Beth Ditto on it’s cover. At barely 5 foot 2 and weighing 15 stone is she really someone I should aspire too? “Yeah, you go girl! Go ahead, have that major coronary and menstrual abnormalities, do your thang!”

But the ‘curvy’ debate doesn’t seem to be slowing, what with it being women’s magazines favourite kind of demoralising bile, encouraging us to constantly compare ourselves to each other. The notion of ‘real’ women is militantly backed up by vox-pops of men sheepishly saying “well, ummm, yes I like boobs”, DID YOU HEAR THAT LADIES, MEN LIKE SOMETHING TO GRAB HOLD OF *snarl, spit* SO ALL YOU SKINNY WHORES CAN GO FUCK YOURSELVES. Is a generation of plus-size women, snapping their fingers and confidently exclaiming “only real women have curves!” a good thing? If a woman is naturally slim is she less of a woman? You have a womb, but have you got big tits?

The highly punchable, self-appointed spokesperson for ‘real curves’, Gok Wan, was at first likeable in his quest to raise the esteem of women of all shapes and sizes, the focus being on self-worth and warped body image. Though for me he’s descended into being the shouty officer of an army of giggly, over-confident, overweight morons. I would like to see an episode of How To Look Good Naked where Gok Wan, instead of wrapping a waisted belt on every single woman he meets, uses a tape measure to see whether they are in the high-risk diabetes category. “We’re going to address health and weight issues fleetingly but it’s OK though babe, cos you can just stick some Spank and a smock top on”.

I’m thoroughly worn out by the obsession with ‘skinny versus curvy’. One spread of any given women’s magazine will promote fad diets where you live off water and mung beans. But the same magazine will have an interview of a ‘curvy’ actress with the pull quote “I hate diets! Pass me the chocolate cake”. So which one do I pay attention to? Have we completely discarded the idea of a happy medium? Or did someone eat it?

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7:20 pm, 30-Nov-2010john
I really like JFK's tits :)
7:51 pm, 30-Nov-2010Melinda Moore
Thank God for someone else talking sense on this issue. Though having tried it myself across various media, I expect you'll get your head bitten off by the political correctness lobby who have replaced "fat" with "curvy". Well said re Gok, too. He has become a disappointment, weekly expounding the theory that only overweight women count as "real" and making slimmer and healthier women feel undesirable, despite his own slim physique. Another issue here is the increasing trend towards vanity sizing which has seen what used to be called a size 10 in the 1970s (which was not seen as remotely anorexic) become a size zero in the new millennium. Given many women's obsession with what number the size label in the back of their clothing reveals, is it any wonder that we put up with our clothing being constantly re-sized to play to our vanity? Instead of realising that we have gained too much weight and need to lose some for our health, now we just go to another retailer whose sizing is more generous and lose all sense of what size we really are. This can only encourage the slow creep of obesity in the long run - which the World Health Organisation has described as the biggest threat to global health - and is an argument for using actual measurements as labels, as is done with men's clothing.
10:04 pm, 30-Nov-2010Rory Curtis
I like a bird with a bit of meat on her bones. Otherwise there is nothing to hang on to.
12:49 am, 1-Dec-2010Keith Wildman
Anything under a size 12 doesn't appeal. Some of these lasses you see modelling clothes look like teenage boys.
2:26 am, 1-Dec-2010JohnnyL
I like a woman with a limb in each corner and a pulse.
2:06 pm, 1-Dec-2010Teddy Tuffnuts
As soon as I saw there were questions at the bottom of the piece, rhetorical or not, I felt I was being thrusted back into the Skinny vs Curvy debate against my will. However, I've never really been involved in that debate for the very reason that this (might I say, well written) piece was published; it's a load of old cobblers. Eat well, try not to die, be nice to people who deserve it.
2:32 pm, 1-Dec-2010MrDarke
Fucks sake, people are people, no matter what their weight. If I find a woman attractive weight doesn't even play a part.
2:40 pm, 1-Dec-2010Bobby Dreamboat
I find teenage boys very attractive so I'm probably not the best person to comment.
2:58 pm, 1-Dec-2010Lucy Sweet
v. good and spot on. The problem with women's magazines is that they're not representative of any woman EVER, regardless of size, so anything they say on the subject is bullshit. One day I hope to edit DUMPY magazine, featuring a large army of completely unremarkable plain janes in sparkly tops from Primark that don't do anything for them. Tesco Mary will be the cover girl.
3:42 pm, 1-Dec-2010Russ
I'm going to start a magazine appealing to both camps. I'm going to call it Scurvy.
10:47 pm, 1-Dec-2010Le Drew
Christina Hendricks. Marks out of ten? I'd give her one! Arf arf. Seriously though Lucy, remember what I said. We are all monkeys. x
8:34 am, 2-Dec-2010jugoya
Well, to quote American Pyschiqe "You can't fuck a personality." Curby women tread that fine line between F2F and just plain fat. Give me a tall girl any day. That way, when they do finally fill out, they've got a large enough body to out it somehwhere. And totally generalising and likely way off kilter but in my experience, it'd the fatties that love the skinny vs curvy conversation. Mainly wishing they weren't one but other, innit! Easy to hate on a skinny bird when you're twice their size. Oh and "a real woman" is definitely code for "obese" and if the point put to me is "you can't handle a real woman!" well yeah love, you're right, it'd be like having to keep an oversized pet, like a Rottweiler.
8:37 am, 2-Dec-2010jugoya
American Psycho!
2:45 pm, 3-Dec-2010T
How apt.
3:48 pm, 5-Dec-2010Bert Quock
You need enough for a tit wank if you ask me, some of those birds on the catwalk look like you'd be dry humping one of those coat hangers made for ties
6:24 pm, 7-Dec-2010empressmitzi
Stop using health concerns as an excuse to bash fat people for being aesthetically unpleasing to you (because that's really what this petulant little whinge is about.) If fat really equals instant death then why are so many fat people still walking around very much alive? Thin people who smoke, don't exercise and eat crap food are also higher risk for diabetes, heart attacks, etc. - what you weigh doesn't matter as much as how you treat your body. And yes, you can exercise and eat a healthy diet and still be overweight. A lot of fat people wreck their health by yo-yo dieting - going through cycles of starving weight off and regaining it is worse for your heart than keeping a steady weight, even it's heavier than the norm. And finally: who the hell reads women's magazines for sensible advice on what size your body should be? As you have pointed out, they are completely schizoid about this. They exist to flack for the fashion, cosmetics and weight-loss industries, among others. Nobody makes any money by saying that your body is just fine the way it is.
1:43 am, 28-Dec-2010Jennifer
great article, really enjoyed reading this.
8:50 pm, 23-Jan-2011Tracy Garnish
Womens mags?Who would waste three and a half quid on a slab of pages repeating season after season the self same rubbish...go and buy Mojo or Q...find something worthwhile to read. Great article by the way
3:01 pm, 24-Jan-2011Stoychenkroyften
JohnnyL, I have to admit to liking women with four limbs and a pulse myself. However, they're not always a necessity. Also, my favourite womens mags are Escort and Razzle. I find that they promote the image of women that is most appealing to me... ones with no clothes on.
6:41 pm, 23-Feb-2011pirate jenny
Step AWAY from the women's magazines. They make you buy shit you don't need by creating anxiety about your body/life/friends/lovers/fucking cushions or whatever and have the temerity to call it 'aspirational' - like that's a good thing. Take the whisperings of those glossy, global cosmetic-corporation-funded snakes out of your ear and you'll feel less defensive about the skinnies AND more inclined to lay off the fatties - many of whom are perfectly healthy with men who love and desire them... Good article though, sister... x
10:17 pm, 23-Feb-2011Lexy
Nice article! Big girls can look super hot... as can tiny girls. Big girls can look ugly and ill... as can tiny girls. It's all about context, getting into the Vs. frame of mind does no-one any good. Who cares as long as your healthy? Personally I'm never going to be skinny as, frankly, I have massive cans and what can only be described as child bearing hips. However I recently started properly exercising and not eating like a retard when I crept up to a size 16- nothing to do with weight, but on me it's just not healthy. Neither is going below a 12. So yeah, too skinny = ugly. Too fat = ugly. Get over it and be the size you feel healthiest at.
1:51 pm, 13-Apr-2011Scarlette
i have reached into my drawer and grabbed that MASSIVE DOUBLE CHOCOLATE CHUNK COOKIE and scoffed in and didnt in the slightest feel guilty. Love from a Curvy Size 10 :) :)
2:05 pm, 13-Apr-2011Mark
Missed this when it was first published, but this is easily one of the best articles I've ever read on the facile nature of this topic's public discussion. Good work. It's nice to see something so well considered on the politics of body shape.
9:03 pm, 13-Apr-2011David L
If women's magazines didn't make you feel bad about something one month, then you probably wouldn't buy next month's issue with its 10-step guide to making you feel better about it, would you? And lest you get too comfortable with some aspect of your life, there's always the magazine due the month after that, waiting to put the boot in again. Marie Claire is 75 next year, and if the venerable old bint of women's mags has worked out the meaning of life yet, she's not telling.
4:04 pm, 20-Apr-2011Simon Martin
I agree with KW. Nothing below a 12 and there is a reason the models look like teenage boys, many designers like teenage boys.
12:59 am, 21-Apr-2011Heather
Natalie Portman a size 8? Seriously? Just more proof that every clothing company has a different idea of what every size is. I really wish women's clothes had the same conventions as men's... just use the damned measurements. I wear a size 12 at the Gap, a size 8 in Old Navy, and a size 0 or 2 at Chico's. Women's clothing sizes are so schizo.
3:23 pm, 29-May-2011Oodle Futt
I need a poo
3:36 pm, 29-May-2011Nigel
When I do give a toss, I normally come down on the side of a curvy woman.
10:43 pm, 29-May-2011Will
I like em all big booty, little titties, big boobies, long legs, eye lashes touching the ceiling i got to love em all x
7:50 pm, 30-May-2011Katie
You know what....you can introduce vanity sizing...but a skinny girl is still a skinny girl and a curvy girl is still a curvy girl...sometimes it's genetics, sometimes it's luck....for every fat bird who died from a coronary, there's a thin bird who smokes fifty a day...enough said.
10:32 pm, 30-May-2011Texan
I've never understood the fascination with Holly 'Willobooby' she looks like Sloth and her chesticles aren't even big.
7:50 am, 2-Jun-2011Daisydaresyou
I wish I could give a cheque (and my phone number) to the vast majority of men lauding the appeal of the size 12s and over. I have long given up reading women's magazines and fitting into unflattering garments and instead spend my time finding a nice "ass man" to settle down with.
6:13 am, 21-Jul-2011Devin
Christina Hendricks does not have a "tiny waist" she is held in with corsetry and girldles. Once those come off she has no waist and a fat mid section. She is clearly overweight and looks very unhealthy. I hate seeing fat women called "curvy" curvy is Kelly Brook and Kim Kardashain. Christina Hendricks is enormous and it isn't just her boobs. She is big all over. It's usually other bigger women who call her a "real women" to makes themselves feel better. There is a reason why you will never see Hendricks in a 2 piece.
9:20 am, 21-Jul-2011Simon Martin
Devin, each to their own and all that but don't be so arrogant as to assume you know what women think about this. It just makes you sound like a 24 carat arsehole.
11:00 pm, 29-Aug-2011Leah
Spot on, well-written article. I've had many of the same thoughts lately myself. Why can't women just give it a break and accept that we don't all come in one cookie-cutter, homogenized shape? If you're metabolically fit then there's nothing to worry about.
12:32 pm, 3-Oct-2011Agence de mannequins Paris
I just want to say your article is wonderful the clarity in your post is just nice and i can assume you are an expert on this subject thanks. Agence hotesses accueil Paris
9:37 pm, 12-Oct-2011imi
argh jo i love your articles. some of these comments though. jesus guys come on. i'm an english size six. and i eat, like a pig. i eat at least twice as much as any friend of mine. every single day i get comments. people call me a skinny bitch, anorexic. any time i buy any food people make comments about me just throwing it back up again. i've actually been spat at in the street. all this hate against people who are a bit skinnier than others, it's fucking horrible. it's the same as screaming at a girl with hips that she needs to lay off the pastries. curvy, skinny, type two diabetes if you want to be mainly built of fat cells, who cares.
7:20 am, 7-Nov-2011Vern
"Is pointing out someone’s willful ignorance towards healthy eating and the fact that it could send them careering to an early grave akin to being a huge racist?" YES! Weight is a HEALTH issue.Would you talk so openly about someone's herpes,or acne or hemorrhoids? Didn't think so.When it comes to other people's weight,keep your mouth shut.
6:04 pm, 8-Jan-2012Ed
One only needs to look at dating websites to see how these words are misused. Gone is the word "fat", for a start. Women who select the word curvy to describe themselves are people who are in denial of their fatness. Thats why dating websites also have the term BBW ie. Big Beautiful Women (BBW). If you look at men, there is no equivalent. "Big and Tall" is the same mens category at Plenty of Fish as the BBW. Big and Tall is just descriptive, the guy is big and tall. BBW presumes that the fat is beautiful. This is because men know that fat men are actually fat and that they would be much more attractive to most women if they were not fat. Many women on the other hand want to pretend their fat is attractive. That is why they have positive words like "curvy" or "BBW". Though inside most of these women are also on stupid diets (that don't work because they are in denial and screw it up) because they know deep down they want to be skinny and well toned.
3:54 pm, 9-Jan-2012girl
Dear Ed, Curvy and fat are not the same things.Curvy means a woman with a nice waist to hip ratio that is HEALTHY.One of the most popular body types is the hourglass figure.That would be a woman whose body shape is like an hourglass. A fat woman would more then likely have an apple shape. Hourglass=curves.Apple=round.
7:27 pm, 8-Feb-2012Ed
Dear girl, If curvy and fat don't mean the same thing, then I find it interesting that most all girls that call themselves curvy are invariably overweight, but in denial. If a real definition can be found its probably more about bone structure and the way in which certain girls put on weight. Some will NEVER look "curvy" under such a definition because they simply don't put weight on in that way. So while I'm sure "curvy" can have a proper definition that makes sense, its just hardly ever used if it does. The problem of course is that someone is not either "fa"t or "not fat" as black and white opposites. There are differing perspectives as to how much body fat someone has that makes someone fat ENOUGH for that person to be considered "fat" by someone. For me there is a point where I look at someone and dont call them fat or not, but I do see them more as "getting there" or that they are putting on too much additional weight that is negatively affecting their appearance. Really, thats how I see it, that you're "TOO fat" the moment your fat is making you look worse. That is as I say a matter of perspective, but most of the time girls are in complete denial and try and make excuses for their overweight size while at the same time trying (and failing) with all kinds of fad diets. I think that if more women accepted that they were overweight (or "fat") and accepted its unhealthy and generally unattractive, they would be able to lose weight much easier. Because if you try and lose weight while at the same time a voice in your head is telling you at the same time that you that "big us beautiful" or "curvy is sexy" then you're more likely to quit and fail on your diet and exercise plan. Most of these girls that say that would prefer to be skinny and toned, they just try and convince themselves they like being the way they are, but they don't, clearly, or the same women wouldnt forever be on some crazy diet.
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